Comments on: Peak Java http://blog.lylo.co.uk/2007/01/20/peak-java/ Not very much at all, really Wed, 26 May 2010 15:34:54 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jivlain http://blog.lylo.co.uk/2007/01/20/peak-java/comment-page-1/#comment-591 Jivlain Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:21:14 +0000 http://www.lylo.co.uk/blog/2007/01/20/peak-java/#comment-591 Hmmmm confusion. Eh. But it was worth it! Hmmmm confusion. Eh. But it was worth it!

]]> By: Jivlain http://blog.lylo.co.uk/2007/01/20/peak-java/comment-page-1/#comment-590 Jivlain Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:19:39 +0000 http://www.lylo.co.uk/blog/2007/01/20/peak-java/#comment-590 What I really enjoyed was the link which led me here: http://www.chadfowler.com/2007/1/10/supply-and-demand-in-technology-skills Do the Google Trends searches - the Java/.NET is all India etc whereas the searches for, say, Ruby on Rails, is from the US. Interesting. What I really enjoyed was the link which led me here:
http://www.chadfowler.com/2007/1/10/supply-and-demand-in-technology-skills

Do the Google Trends searches – the Java/.NET is all India etc whereas the searches for, say, Ruby on Rails, is from the US. Interesting.

]]> By: Stephane Grenier http://blog.lylo.co.uk/2007/01/20/peak-java/comment-page-1/#comment-587 Stephane Grenier Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:43:03 +0000 http://www.lylo.co.uk/blog/2007/01/20/peak-java/#comment-587 I think the key to remember with Java is that it's a great language for larger projects. If you have to slap together some simple and quick application, then Java may or may not be the tool for you. However if you need a lot of extensibility, a lot of complexity, a lot functionality, etc., then Java quickly becomes more and more interesting! As for a Swing application, we use Java at <a href="http://www.LandlordMax.com" rel="nofollow">LandlordMax</a>. It might have taken a bit more time initially, but because of the power of language we're able to really use the framework in extremely powerful ways. For example we've created many gui components which are composites of other components, including listeners, etc. So for us to add certain types of functionality it's extremely easy. Again, it all depends on what you're trying to do. If I had to slap together a quick prototype webapp with no scalability, I'd look at PHP (scalability can mean traffic, extra features, etc.). If I new I had to move to a clustered environment, add loads of features, etc., then I'd be looking at a J2EE stack with frameworks such as JSF, etc. Yes, PHP has some amazing frameworks too (CodeIgniter.com for example), but I feel the J2EE frameworks are more mature and have more "power". I think the key to remember with Java is that it’s a great language for larger projects. If you have to slap together some simple and quick application, then Java may or may not be the tool for you. However if you need a lot of extensibility, a lot of complexity, a lot functionality, etc., then Java quickly becomes more and more interesting!

As for a Swing application, we use Java at LandlordMax. It might have taken a bit more time initially, but because of the power of language we’re able to really use the framework in extremely powerful ways. For example we’ve created many gui components which are composites of other components, including listeners, etc. So for us to add certain types of functionality it’s extremely easy.

Again, it all depends on what you’re trying to do. If I had to slap together a quick prototype webapp with no scalability, I’d look at PHP (scalability can mean traffic, extra features, etc.). If I new I had to move to a clustered environment, add loads of features, etc., then I’d be looking at a J2EE stack with frameworks such as JSF, etc. Yes, PHP has some amazing frameworks too (CodeIgniter.com for example), but I feel the J2EE frameworks are more mature and have more “power”.

]]> By: Andy Stewart http://blog.lylo.co.uk/2007/01/20/peak-java/comment-page-1/#comment-586 Andy Stewart Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:23:43 +0000 http://www.lylo.co.uk/blog/2007/01/20/peak-java/#comment-586 You might be interested in James Duncan Davidson's <a href="http://blog.duncandavidson.com/2007/01/what_does_no_ja.html" rel="nofollow">What Does No Java On The iPhone Mean?</a> -- with the revealing question: How many compelling desktop end-user Java applications have ever been created? It's much easier to create a lovely GUI in a browser than with Swing. And it's easier to write a webapp in, say, Rails than J2EE. You might be interested in James Duncan Davidson’s What Does No Java On The iPhone Mean? — with the revealing question:

How many compelling desktop end-user Java applications have ever been created?

It’s much easier to create a lovely GUI in a browser than with Swing. And it’s easier to write a webapp in, say, Rails than J2EE.

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